@Mrnobody905's Discussion That Polynesians are the First Navigators
I believe Polynesians are the first navigator because from where I came from , Nukuoro, is an outlier of Pohnpei, Micronesia, .. Our roots, language and culture are all Polynesian! I don't even know why we became part of Micronesia! I believe this came about because some Polynesian decided to inhabit the Micronesia or any other places in the Pacific! Polynesians are the true navigators.
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Culture wise I don't think we're all the same as each individual islands have their own.Yes we display Polynesian traditions dance,music,tattoo.So on.That doesn't mean we're Polies.It's distinct.We Micronesians have to stick to ours.We have our own.And not Indulge into other's culture appropriating it from time to time.
The Melanesians,They're the oldest.Well known culture in the world before us.Last place to be settled is Polynesia.Honestly don't know where you're going at with your history knowledge.Mels weren't much of a seafaring race like the poly or micros.
I can't deny that Polynesian navigation was amazing.I bow my hat to that.Massive ships and knowledge of way finding.Perfect combo for great seaferes.Sadly they've lost their way.I show sadness and feel the same for the lost of a vital&Sacred tradition.However when it comes to Micronesia evidently two techniques(Yapese star compass&Marshalless stick)from just our region should give a hint who really have the title of "Greatest navigators of the sea".Though....I hate boasting.As reaper said in the other of my discussion not one of us can claim that title when we're of the same ancestors.We Micronesians have nothing to proof for anyone when it's already done by Mau taking the stage for of us people of Micronesia sharing the Yapese star compass.And Marshallese stick chart contribution of Cartography.Many science articles on that.Point is there really isn't a true navigator.We must be humble and not boast too much about it.Also must be preserved for our future children to be proud of.We should also keep in mind that this tradition was bestowed to us.We didn't invent it.We can thank our southeast Asian/Taiwanese cousins for it.
There shouldn't be hatred for Polynesia and Micronesia for we are brothers&Sisters.Children of this ancient earth.
But when it comes to the pacific era of seaferers it's evident who's got the upper hand in way finding.Micronesia is a little older than Poly.Our navigations was handed down to us by our ancestors migrating out from Southeast Asia.
Btw.Idk about the "three wise men".I'm more familiar with the Chaldeans.Earlier seaferers were Outstanding.Makes you wonder could our ways of navigation derived from them.....human's through time tend to copy one another.
@Yuch/Ya hear that brother neither of us were first :D.
We share little to no genetics with Melanesians however they are more ancient.Traveling through Southeast Asia intermixing between our ancestors and theirs happened.New studies find that less occurred during that time.Indeed Good seaferers yes. They weren't much compared to other sea going societies in the pacific.Bigger lands with resources is all they needed.Occasionaly at times they'd do some raiding on themselves or Their neighbors.Like Tonga due to its close proximity.(I have little knowledge on the Melenesians so feel free to correct me on any of this)
Idk about that.Most oral stories points to the east as where the early forebears of ancient Pohnpeians came from.Located closely eastward is kosrea,Marshalls,&Kiribati Islands.All historians and scientists alike agree on this.The only people that truly made their appearance from the south were the Polynesians settling and intermixing culturally and genetically on Kapingamarangi.
Where is this so call "Eir"....let me guess.Lumeria?Isreal?Egypt? Lol.Attend to your crops country boy.You don't anything about history.
(No hate though I actually have melesnsisn buddies who'll confirm this).
History-Both Micronesians and Polynesians aren't the oldest but rather children's of older Austronesian people that came from Southeast Asia all the way back to Taiwan.With an eight thousand year timespan.
Genetics-We share little to no genes with the Melanesians.Hate to burst some of ya'lls bubbles but try disproving science as it doesn't discriminate on feelings,race,nor politics.We're Asians Period(the dark type due to our environmental adaptation.).We're more closely related to Filipinos,Indonesians,Malaysians,and Taiwanese aboriginal tribes.
Seafaring claim-I'm not trying to say we micronesians are the first.My main point was that we still keep this sacred knowledge.We obviously was bostowed this tradition from our forebears from the Southeast all the way to Taiwan itself.Same goes for polys but sadly they lost theirs.
My boy Yuchleop if you still disagree on this I'd be happy to discuss it through inbox.Simply send me a message.I'll be happy to debate with you personally.
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