@Mrnobody905's Discussion That Polynesians are the First Navigators

I believe Polynesians are the first navigator because from where I came from , Nukuoro, is an outlier of Pohnpei, Micronesia, .. Our roots, language and culture are all Polynesian! I don't even know why we became part of Micronesia! I believe this came about because some Polynesian decided to inhabit the Micronesia or any other places in the Pacific! Polynesians are the true navigators.

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  • edited September 2019
    If you truly think that then you're sadly mistaken my friend.The only things we Micro&Poly share is our Dna&Language as we're all descended from a singular people migrating out of Southeast Asia with a timespan of three to four thousand years(Maybe five).The languages that we speak is a branch of the Austronesian tongue.It can be found throughout the pacific&Pretty much most of SE Asia.

    Culture wise I don't think we're all the same as each individual islands have their own.Yes we display Polynesian traditions dance,music,tattoo.So on.That doesn't mean we're Polies.It's distinct.We Micronesians have to stick to ours.We have our own.And not Indulge into other's culture appropriating it from time to time.

    The Melanesians,They're the oldest.Well known culture in the world before us.Last place to be settled is Polynesia.Honestly don't know where you're going at with your history knowledge.Mels weren't much of a seafaring race like the poly or micros.

    I can't deny that Polynesian navigation was amazing.I bow my hat to that.Massive ships and knowledge of way finding.Perfect combo for great seaferes.Sadly they've lost their way.I show sadness and feel the same for the lost of a vital&Sacred tradition.However when it comes to Micronesia evidently two techniques(Yapese star compass&Marshalless stick)from just our region should give a hint who really have the title of "Greatest navigators of the sea".Though....I hate boasting.As reaper said in the other of my discussion not one of us can claim that title when we're of the same ancestors.We Micronesians have nothing to proof for anyone when it's already done by Mau taking the stage for of us people of Micronesia sharing the Yapese star compass.And Marshallese stick chart contribution of Cartography.Many science articles on that.Point is there really isn't a true navigator.We must be humble and not boast too much about it.Also must be preserved for our future children to be proud of.We should also keep in mind that this tradition was bestowed to us.We didn't invent it.We can thank our southeast Asian/Taiwanese cousins for it.

    There shouldn't be hatred for Polynesia and Micronesia for we are brothers&Sisters.Children of this ancient earth.
  • Micronesians and Polynesians did not invent navigation using the stars. Remember the three wise men? Chaldean seafarers circumnavigated the Earth thousands of years before the first Polynesian or Micronesian figured out how to sharpen a stone or seashells to use as tools for cutting open stomachs.
  • @Coconuts/We're not claiming to be the first.It's obvious to this point we know that our societies aren't very ancient compared to other civilizations on earth.Well aware...
    But when it comes to the pacific era of seaferers it's evident who's got the upper hand in way finding.Micronesia is a little older than Poly.Our navigations was handed down to us by our ancestors migrating out from Southeast Asia.

    Btw.Idk about the "three wise men".I'm more familiar with the Chaldeans.Earlier seaferers were Outstanding.Makes you wonder could our ways of navigation derived from them.....human's through time tend to copy one another.

    @Yuch/Ya hear that brother neither of us were first :D.
  • the malenesians were also great Navigators, as for who came first is really hard to tell. remember there was a southern migration first into Pohnpei straight from the Vanuatu/New Hebrides region
  • The Micronesian culture is older that Polynesians. Polynesians are the youngest pacific island cultures. There is no way that Polynesians were the first to navigate.
  • @American_grass/Nearly impossible to claim such title. The ancient Sumerians, Chinese, Greek,Roman,Vikings, ,Spanish,Micro&poly. would say that they are there's just no clear champion for it. To me we're all equally amazing.

    We share little to no genetics with Melanesians however they are more ancient.Traveling through Southeast Asia intermixing between our ancestors and theirs happened.New studies find that less occurred during that time.Indeed Good seaferers yes. They weren't much compared to other sea going societies in the pacific.Bigger lands with resources is all they needed.Occasionaly at times they'd do some raiding on themselves or Their neighbors.Like Tonga due to its close proximity.(I have little knowledge on the Melenesians so feel free to correct me on any of this)
  • Seaferers from around the world both modern and ancient are equally amazing.One isn't mightier than the other.We may as well claim that title for us all.
  • @MrNobody905 according to ethnohistorians who drew from the oral traditions and archaeologists who backed up the claims, this seems to be the case.. long story short, the first voyagers to Pohnpei's shores came from the land of Eir (South)..
  • edited September 2019
    @American_Grass/These first voyagers. Are they the Melanesians that first inhabited the islands before our ancestors arrived? Melanesians weren't much of a seafaring people.It was us Lapitan decadents whom cross over.They learned from us.But haven't really made it far out to places like Hawaii nor Easter island.
  • blah blah blah, we're all brown, moving on
  • edited September 2019
    @Hite/Yes asians that are Brown but not fully Melanesian/black/African as some of you claim.
  • true. but we're still Micronesian, Melanesian,polynesian on the inside
  • @Hite/Geographically we are united by sharing a single ocean.Microensian&Polynesians have close Dna that's traced back in all of the countries of Southeast Asia.With Melenesians we share little to no blood with them.They are very old though.Much more ancient than us all(Micro&Poly).
  • edited August 2018
    you maybe right. but for my Clan's history...we came from Papua New Guinea. We ran away from those half human, half ghost, ( probably cannibals) people... and no, i'm not messing around..this is the history handed down by our ancestors verbally. there's no written history since we don't have papers or whatever to record it. I can't prove any of this, but i'd like to someday.
  • @HITE/That's tragic my friend.Terribly sorry that happened to your clan.Just don't expect the rest of us to agree with you.We're all diverse.Just because few came from Melanesia doesn't make the rest of us Melanesians.
  • @AmericanGrass/Many people visited pohnpei's shores.Like the Marshallese,Yapese,Kosrae&Polys.

    Idk about that.Most oral stories points to the east as where the early forebears of ancient Pohnpeians came from.Located closely eastward is kosrea,Marshalls,&Kiribati Islands.All historians and scientists alike agree on this.The only people that truly made their appearance from the south were the Polynesians settling and intermixing culturally and genetically on Kapingamarangi.

    Where is this so call "Eir"....let me guess.Lumeria?Isreal?Egypt? Lol.Attend to your crops country boy.You don't anything about history.
  • @AmericanGrass/Melanesian seafaring was influenced by the lapitan decendants(Modern day Micronesians and Polynesians) ancient Austronesians originated from Taiwan which eventually made their way through Southeast and onto the rest of the pacific.Mels weren't much seagoers and haven't made it passed Tonga.Sadly like the Polynesians Most of that sea tradition died out due to European contact and influence.

    (No hate though I actually have melesnsisn buddies who'll confirm this).
  • CONCLUSION

    History-Both Micronesians and Polynesians aren't the oldest but rather children's of older Austronesian people that came from Southeast Asia all the way back to Taiwan.With an eight thousand year timespan.

    Genetics-We share little to no genes with the Melanesians.Hate to burst some of ya'lls bubbles but try disproving science as it doesn't discriminate on feelings,race,nor politics.We're Asians Period(the dark type due to our environmental adaptation.).We're more closely related to Filipinos,Indonesians,Malaysians,and Taiwanese aboriginal tribes.

    Seafaring claim-I'm not trying to say we micronesians are the first.My main point was that we still keep this sacred knowledge.We obviously was bostowed this tradition from our forebears from the Southeast all the way to Taiwan itself.Same goes for polys but sadly they lost theirs.

    My boy Yuchleop if you still disagree on this I'd be happy to discuss it through inbox.Simply send me a message.I'll be happy to debate with you personally.
  • Chaldeans and Minoans.
  • @Coconuts/Yes.Let is also not forget about the Phoenicians,Egyptians,Hindus,So fourth.They have both seafaring and boat building tradition.That far exceeds our forebears by many millennia before our great migration.
  • The greatest navigators are the impeachment navigators from the Trump Derangement Syndrome Clan.

    Hahaha
  • @Rastaman/Mr.Pothead,Please do take your ganja and reggae music elsewhere to enjoy this thread doesn't concern you.
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