The Paris Agreement Is Burning France.

Paris is burning. The arsons are protesting against carbon taxes on fuel aimed at defraying for climate change. French "Yellow Vests" are rioting and burning while chanting on the streets "We want Trump!" Do you think such tax hikes and riots would have happened in the US, if Hillary had won the election?

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  • Paris riots over fuel taxes dim hopes for climate fight

    Seth Borenstein and Angela Charlton, Associated Press

    Seth Borenstein and Angela Charlton, Associated Press

    Associated PressDecember 6, 2018, 4:57 PM GMT


    PARIS (AP) -- The "yellow vests" in France are worrying greens around the world.

    The worst riots in Paris in decades were sparked by higher fuel taxes, and French President Emmanuel Macron responded by scrapping them Wednesday. But taxes on fossil fuels are just what international climate negotiators, meeting in Poland this week, say are desperately needed to help wean the world off of fossil fuels and slow climate change.

    "The events of the last few days in Paris have made me regard the challenges as even greater than I thought earlier," said Stanford University environmental economist Lawrence Goulder, author of the book "Confronting the Climate Challenge."

    Economists, policymakers and politicians have long said the best way to fight climate change is to put a higher price on the fuels that are causing it — gasoline, diesel, coal and natural gas. Taxing fuels and electricity could help pay for the damage they cause, encourage people to use less, and make it easier for cleaner alternatives and fuel-saving technologies to compete.

    These so-called carbon taxes are expected to be a major part of pushing the world to reduce carbon dioxide emissions and try to prevent runaway climate change that economists say would be far more expensive over the long term than paying more for energy in the short term.

    But it's not so easy for people to think about long-term, global problems when they are struggling to get by.

    Macron said the higher tax was his way of trying to prevent the end of the world. But the yellow vest protesters turned that around with the slogan: "it's hard to talk about the end of the world while we are talking about the end of the month."

    The resistance to the fuel tax is a personal blow to Macron, who sees himself as the guarantor of the 2015 Paris climate accord, its strongest defender on the global stage. He has positioned himself as the anti-Trump when it comes to climate issues.

    The French government quietly fears a Trump-led backlash against the accord could spread to other major economies whose commitment is essential to keeping the deal together.

    The fuel tax was not originally Macron's idea; it dates back to previous administrations. But he vigorously defended it and won the presidency in part on a promise to fight climate change.

    So what went wrong?

    Yale University economist William Nordhaus, who won this year's Nobel prize for economics, said the tax was poorly designed and was delivered by the wrong person. "If you want to make energy taxes unpopular, step one is to be an unpopular leader," he said. "Step two is to use gasoline taxes and call them carbon taxes. This is hard enough without adding poor design."

    Macron, like French presidents before him, made environmental and energy decisions without explaining to the public how important they are and how their lives will change. He's also seen as the "president of the rich" — his first fiscal decision as president was scrapping a wealth tax. So hiking taxes on gasoline and diesel was seen as especially unfair to the working classes in the provinces who need cars to get to work and whose incomes have stagnated for years.

    The French government already has programs in place to subsidize drivers who trade in older, dirtier cars for cleaner ones, and expanded them in an attempt to head off the protests last month. But for many French, it was too little, too late.

    The French reaction to higher fuel prices is hardly unique, which highlights just how hard it can be to discourage fossil fuel consumption by making people pay more. In September, protests in India over high gasoline prices shut down schools and government offices. Protests erupted in Mexico in 2017 after government deregulation caused a spike in gasoline prices, and in Indonesia in 2013 when the government reduced fuel subsidies and prices rose.

    In the United States, Washington state voters handily defeated a carbon tax in November.

    "Higher taxes on fuel have always been a policy more popular among economists than among voters," said Greg Mankiw, a Harvard economist and former adviser to President George W. Bush.

    Even proponents of carbon taxes acknowledge that they can disproportionally hurt low-income people. Energy costs make up a larger portion of their overall expenses, so a fuel price increase eats up more of their paycheck and leaves them with less to spend. And because energy costs are almost impossible to avoid, they feel trapped.

    It is also not lost on them that it is the rich, unbothered by fuel taxes, who are hardest on the environment because they travel and consume more.

    "The mistake of the Macron government was not to marry the increase in fuel taxes with other sufficiently compelling initiatives promising to enhance the welfare and incomes of the 'yellow vests,' said Barry Eichengreen, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley.

    Now the question is "How can we address the climate problem while also avoiding producing political upheaval," Goulder said.

    The key is giving a good chunk of money back to the people, Wesleyan University environmental economist Gary Yohe said.

    Many economists back proposals that would tax carbon, but then use that money to offer tax rebates or credits that would benefit lower-income families.

    The protests, while sparked by fuel prices, are also about income inequality, populism and anti-elitism, experts say, not just about carbon taxes.

    "Is it a death knell for the carbon tax or pricing carbon? I don't think so," economist Yohe said. "It is just a call for being a little bit more careful about how you design the damn thing."


    AP science writer Seth Borenstein reported from Washington. AP economics writer Christopher Rugaber contributed from Washington and Frank Jordans contributed from Katowice, Poland.
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/paris-riots-show-difficulty-fighting-warming-taxes-074214950--finance.html
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    From the Liberal leaning WASHINGTON POST: France’s protesters are part of a global backlash against climate-change taxes
    By Steven Mufson, James McAuley

    December 4, 2018 at 5:47 PM
    those who emit greenhouse gases, economists say. But as French President Emmanuel Macron learned over the past three weeks, implementing such taxes can be politically explosive.

    On Tuesday, France delayed for six months a plan to raise already steep taxes on diesel fuel by 24 cents a gallon and gasoline by about 12 cents a gallon. Macron argued that the taxes were needed to curb climate change by weaning motorists off petroleum products, but violent demonstrations in the streets of Paris and other French cities forced him to backtrack — at least for now.

    “No tax is worth putting in danger the unity of the nation,” said Prime Minister Édouard Philippe, who was trotted out to announce the concession.

    It was a setback for the French president, who has been trying to carry the torch of climate action in the wake of the Paris accords of December 2015. “When we talk about the actions of the nation in response to the challenges of climate change, we have to say that we have done little,” he said last week.

    Macron is hardly alone in his frustration. Leaders in the United States, Canada, Australia and elsewhere have found their carbon pricing efforts running into fierce opposition. But the French reversal was particularly disheartening for climate-policy experts, because it came just as delegates from around the world were gathering in Katowice, Poland, for a major conference designed to advance climate measures.

    “Like everywhere else, the question in France is how to find a way of combining ecology and equality,” said Bruno Cautrès, a researcher at the Paris Institute of Political Studies. “Citizens mostly see punitive public policies when it comes to the environment: taxes, more taxes and more taxes after that. No one has the solution, and we can only see the disaster that’s just occurred in France on this question.”

    “Higher taxes on energy have always been a hard sell, politically,” said N. Gregory Mankiw, an economics professor at Harvard University and advocate of carbon taxes. “The members of the American Economic Association are convinced of their virtue. But the median citizen is not.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/frances-protesters-are-part-of-a-global-backlash-against-climate-change-taxes/2018/12/04/08365882-f723-11e8-863c-9e2f864d47e7_story.html

  • Yes you are indeed correct my fellow russian bot @z . I posted about this same issue a few days ago and i said the same thing that it was about the climate change agreement carbon tax and fuel tax. @FactsMatters didn't call me out because "it" knew i was right.

    Don't be discourage to post the truth. They will call you a Russian bot at first and then racist comes next and brown Nazi. The Washington post acknowledged that the paris riots are happening because of the carbon taxes from the paris agreement. The Washington post also suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome like FactsMatters.

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    It seems FactsMatter doesn't believe that facts do matter. Micronesia is among the greatest supporters of the Paris climate accord. These facts really do matter so that our people know the effects of their own governments' dealings. They thought taxes could stop carbon emissions and instead cars are set aflame emitting black plumes of carbon emissions higher than the Eiffel Tower. FactsMatter wants these facts censored. Apparently, truth is considered "hate speech" by the left. And they wish to censor all media platforms, like the Nazis did in the 1930's .
  • Its only facts if its agree with the lefts standpoint. But when its against the lefts view its hate and russian bot and bigoted.
  • Left's poster boy Macron has approval rating of 18%.


  • Now the yellow jackets are asking for Marcons to resign. Merkel out in Germany now Marcon is about to get the boot in France.

    2 liberal anti trumpers kicked out.

    MAGA
  • Yup, the yellow vest protests continues. They brought more policemen and tear gas yesterday. Tommy Robinson's Brexit march also took place this weekend. Mainstream media is trying so hard to hide and spin these uprisings. Fake news for faken ewes.

    KAG!
  • Liberals falling like dominoes all around the world. Paris agreement is making people riots in France. No to liberal agenda.
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  • On the fifth weekend of protests, I realize some French leftists have joined the protest against the carbon tax. No doubt the left is affective at burning cars and looting businesses, which help the protests tremendously. Some university students have joined in as well, but they are protesting against Macron's leadership and expensive tuition. (I thought this was kind of hypocritical since it were demands for free or cheaper stuff, e.g. free tuition, food stamps, etc., that result in higher taxes.)

    The ongoing nonpartisan protest goes to show that raising taxes will eventually bring about more poverty and discontent from all sides of the political spectrum. The question is why do leftists in America and Micronesia promote big government and free stuff? Don't they know those things require more taxes? Perhaps most islands in Micronesia don't pay taxes, yet they demand free stuff. I wonder where they got their leftist logic.

    By the way, Merry Christmas to the beneficiaries of Operations Christmas Drop. May your culture live forever.
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